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Anonymous commented : said. - Reuters." After the "new thinkers" get over their horror, let's take a closer look at this. Apparently, the boy was 6 and the girl was 5 when they were brought together by the familes. As a result of this arrangement, the fabric of the childrens's lives becomes so inter-twined that the very thought of separation becomes UNTHINKABLE. This is a true soul mate. This is so important that I want to say it again : if you can successfully inter-twine the children's lives, the thought of separation becomes UNTHINKABLE. This is what you need to strive for if you want a low divorce rate. Contrast this to our current "wisdom", which strives for independance, self sufficiency, strength, women's rights, men's right's, children's right's, and the whole "dating game", which takes our children's precious hearts and rips them to shreds. The new thinking cannot solve any of today's problems. Rather, it is the cause of today's problems. Who do you think will have a lower divorce rate, the "ancient tradition" mentioned above, or our "new thinking" tradition? I believe things could improve substantially if we try to fuse some of the elements of "ancient tradition" with the rigors and "artificial environments" of modern life. This is entirely possible, but so far our sociologists and cultural leaders (both in the West and in Thailand) have failed to even identify the root cause of the problems. This is why everyone is spinning out of control, and this is why I know that things will continue to get worse, MUCH, MUCH worse before they get better. Cheers!!
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Anonymous commented : eir sex and age. The recent news suggested that more and more Thai girls are having sex at younger and younger age, and they are catching STDs' earlier too. In the future, dowery system that is based on the girl's virginity and high moral standards will eventually becoming more and more rarer occasion/event. Many male foreigners from the west, who are living and working, are now trying to corrupt Thai culture by suggesting to Thai girls that dowery system is counter equality; they are promoting premarital sex and co-habilitation. The girlfriend and boyfriend western system where people are having casual sex at the minimum cost to the men. One good example is that western men, who are teaching foreign languages to Thai girls, would engage in sexual activities with their students. It is very rare for Thai male teachers to do it since there are system in place to deal with these Thai teachers. Now, these new generation Thai girls at college level are doing it with their foreign teachers and students for free and casual with impermanent relationship. These western men knew that they would have to go to the brothels like the local for sex if they could find some naive girls to be their girlfriends. So Gina and other Thai girls, all of you do not have to worry about the dowery system or other traditional Thai culture. The Thai urban subculture is growing with rapid pace and influences from young foreigners who are living and working in Thailand. Thai men will have to ask for virginity police if the girl families are asking for dowery, since these Thai girls are not as they used to be....
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Anonymous commented : start to enforce and regulate new city plannings and codes. There are both private and public hospitals on Phuket and the surrounding provinces. Krabi has sizeable retirement communities. If you like sea foods and the sea, I would recommend any provinces south of Bangkok Metroplex starting from Phetchaburi to Songkhla.
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Anonymous commented : ting this when you visit your new mom in law. BTW - Most farang are considered bums if you don't, prior to getting married, pay a tribute to the mother. Roughly 2500 US dollars is the minimum expected of any foreigner. Just things to be ready for. You need to be prepared to accept their culture as well, because most are strongly loyal to their way of life. You may think you're being taking advantage of, but thats how a majority of women in Thailand think. Its only recently women there are questioning that. Abuse is never a good sign though. But I wouldn't think twice about "more money, more money, find a way to send more, think of your baby, bla bla". That seems to be what almost every woman I've talked to there would say. However I've noticed younger women obsessed with the western movie stereotype of love lately. So, in time, Thai shouldn't base their love on money. Considering all else, while it is not "ok" for Thai men to run around on their woman. There's no law about it AND its not looked down upon at all save for traditionalist Thai's in villages. Very few in a city, albeit. The result, is Thai women found out, that there are laws on Western men cheating on them and more on child support etc. Quite a few of them, especially ones working in bars, or tourist locales has grown up without a father, and had many failed relationships, and therefore do not trust men or simply don't expect them to be faithful. They tend to then, place all their love and importance on their child and family. Because although their family may be abusive (Thai families i've seen practice tough love, ie mother "you're stupid, prove you're smart to me") They do honestly believe their family is the one thing that will stay with them forever but you, their spouse, may not. I'm not out to offend anyone, Honestly, I think Thailand is one of the most beautiful, and respectful countries in the world. If you're outside of Bangkok and Pattaya, Its the best. If you're there for sex, that's your thing. I don't blame those girls, they can sleep with two men a month, and make enough to live very well. Anyone, feel free to email me, I really do love Thailand. Its a great place and the people, if you understand them and don't pass judgement, are THE most respectful people I've ever met. I'd love to talk about it, and/or attempt to answer any questions. Im American BTW
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Anonymous commented : y's appliances for their new house where she still lives. Her expenses haven't increased since we married, so I don't know why I should be "supporting" a 26 year old able-bodied woman who claims to have higher education--yes, accounting. My question: Can I have a lawyer or someone take my papers to the divorce office to represent me? I don't want to return to Thailand! I stopped sending any money after she claimed that w/o 500 a month from me, she would starve and be forced to become a bar girl. I suspect a scam. I also expect if I return they will either slam me with huge costs, alimony for a woman I never lived with, or I'll become a "disappeared" or thrown in prison. I desperately want out. I'm already heartsick but don't want to become destitute as well. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Also, can uncontested divorces be down in Khon Kaen? I wanted to return to Bangkok where we married, but she insists that I return to Khon Kaen where her family has a lot of police and legal power. I feel I'm being fleeced (at the time I quit sending money she was also saying without a 8000 dollar wedding ceremony and a one carat diamond ring, and 250 dollars a month for her parents once we were in America, her parents wouldn't agree to let her come to America. (If immigration would even let her in...she seemed nice and loving, but sometimes would withdraw $$ from the account I set up for her from a Bangkok bank, while I was being emailed the same day from Khon Kaen...she claims my bank there is "stupid" but won't do anything to prove there was an error--and continues to claim she has never returned to bangkok since our marriage registration. Help!
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Anonymous commented : a British citizen, we have a new baby boy, also a British citizen. In the near future we would like her mother to visit us and to spend some time with the baby. I was assuming that it would just be a formality to obtain a family permit for her but now I am not so sure.
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Anonymous commented : ay. Then the problems start, new wife begins staying home being a nanny and helpmate to family. She starts demanding more and more money. Son starts bank account, but sometimes girl is in Bangkok extracting money when suppose to be in the southern countryside. All of a sudden he is suppose to be paying for girl's parents house mortgage, new appliances, and sending 500 a month...US dollars...or she will claim he's starving her and she must go become a bar girl. How does he get out of this? They have had one day of marriage together. He was saving money for the ceremony in Thailand, 1000 bride money for girls mother, visas, travel, etc. but the girl now wants 10,000 US for mother's fee, plus money for one carat diamond, and money for mother to cater the ceremony. Is this a scam? Must he go back to Thailand to get divorce? She hasn't answered any email since he asked why she was withdrawing money from Bangkok when she was writing as if at home caring for nephew in the south. Any advice greatly appreciated.
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Anonymous commented : hen believing she has someone new lined up. Any clues? It was when she started withdrawing money from a bank in Bangkok while claiming she was in Khon Kaen that he demanded answers...she claims the bank is crazy...though they've checked twice, and she claims it was from a Bangkok St in Khon Khan...but when he asked her to withdraw from that account again, she refused. Any hope? His sister who once travelled alone to Thailand recently, had all her money stolen by a man she thought was a Thai friend the first day in the country; then had a marijuana leave planted in her backpack on a train, when she left it to go to the bathroom which a Thai lady warned her about, so she was able to extricate it---and sure enough 15 mintues later a couple police came through asking to check inside luggage. This is a long letter, sorry, but we have no one to turn to. So far no one here knows any Thai law...at the law school...
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Anonymous commented : Son originally agreed to give new Thai bride $250 a month (not 250 bahts) from MT until processed her K-3. He also sent twice that originally for a period of time to help her pay off her previous debts. Then he insisted that they go back to their original agreement--$250 only--except for emergencies and gifts. She had gotten used to the higher amount and hit the roof and refuse to maintain the budget by spending all the $250 from the account he set up for her as soon as it arrived--the first week of the month and then cajoling constantly for more.. When he refused to send more--as he had warned her he must save for visa, marriage and take care of his new business--She claimed he was starving her and not meeting his obligations. She didn't seem to ever believe him when he would tell her by phone and by email NO NO NO to outspending the $250 each month. She never sent any sad ,separated sweetheart kinds of emails, once he forced her to stay within budget (she receives 8000 bahts a month from her sister for caring for the sister's 8 year old spoiled son---even bathing him, dressing him, powdering his bottom, and catering to his every whim) In the spring, she only wrote about her husband's being "selfish---all my Thai friends agree---you're selfish---just like Thai men are." (???) "Why did you sign marriage registration if you weren't going to support me?!! Why you lie? How can I trust you?" She also got him to provide for English lessons, and claimed to be the best student in her class, but then dropped the classes this spring, around the time he started "starving" her. This girl has a car, lives in a new high standard house which the three sisters just bought for their parents---to get them out of police housing. They also have a country house, with rice, pond, etc. The father isn't retired, still working but spends most of his time with his girlfriend and refuses to pay mortgage for the house, so daughters are each to pay a third...so new bride keeps asking my son to send money for mortgage ASAP.... 1) Could they annul and then apply for a K-1 visa with any chance of success? 2) In an uncontested divorce, in a marriage of 8 months, in which the couple has never lived together since registration, could the "husband" sign papers in US and get a proxy to present them at the amphur? 3) If they married in Bangkok, shouldn't they divorce there instead of in Khon Kaen which she insists? 4) Although non-contested, can the Amphur then assess a lot of trumped up fines on my son, and refuse to let him leave the country until they were paid? (She might have run up credit card debts or whatever in the nine months since he's seen her...) 5) Could he divorce her from the US, according to Thai laws, and send the papers over? We believe that last spring, she might have reunited with an old Thai boyfriend; or that her sister is lining up one of her husband's older friends to marry her next...they seem awfully anxious to end it....but my son says he would be a sitting duck for the cops or old boyfriends or whomever---leaving her with all his worldly assets, or at least half...(Somehow his bank knew of his recent foreign marriage, although he has never informed them? Weird...she has US in-laws with former CIA connections...it feels claustrophia and maybe we're paranoid...but reading the UN Report about Human Rights Violations during the Crackdown...and the disappearance of farangs, and the recognition that the police system is questionable and prisons unassailable...going back isn't an option, but the need to end this travesty is weighing on all of us...as we vasilate like the ones who write to Stickman...She's innocent/she's not; she's cohersed/she instigating; she's Cinderella/she's Cruella de Ville; she has a Thai boyfriend/she doesn't/she is lining up a richer farang/she's heartbroken; he could go safely and quickly for a co-signing/he will get hit with lawsuits and not be able to leave the country; he would be safe in Bangkok/he would be set upon by a gang paid to avenge Thai girl's loss of face---farang thinks $250 enough for ME while he saves for wedding!!! Then one day he noticed while she was suppose to be at home--as she stated in her email--visiting with friends next door in Khon Kaen--documents from the account he set up for her had a withdrawal from Bangkok. When he asked her about this she said it was a mistake. She claimed she hadn't returned to Bangkok since their wedding, the day he flew back to Montana. He went to great effort to have the bank double-check where the withdrawal occurred. She claimed it was the Malikan branch on Bangkok Road in Khon Kaen. So--he sent her $85 and told her to please use that same branch bank for the withdrawal...she has refused and asked that he drop the subject as it is boring her, and she dislikes him accusing her as she is innocent. Ever since her weird behavior this spring, my son and I have been combing the internet to try and understand Thai culture, divorce and marriage laws, bar girls and found this forum. She has belatedly agreed to co-signing an annulment, and wants him to apply for the K-1 afterwards. However, when he asks that she and her mother or whomever, and nephew meet him in Bangkok where they married for annulment, with him paying all expenses, hotel, plane, etc. She refuses and says they must meet in Khon Kaen. My son worries that it wouldn't be safe to return to Khon Kaen. Although agreeing to co-signment of a non-contested divorce, she seems to be talleying up "her" expenses---could they hit him with a big bill for costing her "face" or whatever...and refuse to let him leave the country w/o his first paying? With a police chief father, who seems to really enjoy finding drug cars, which the police can then keep for themselves, and an uncle who is a lawyer---and the kind of records she seems to be keeping---it seems highly unlikely that my son can sail in, sign, and sail out. Would a proxy be allowed? The girl, herself, seems to rather naive, she has been caring for her sister's (who married a farang GI) child since the boy was 2 years old---the child is constantly being refused immigration by Thai authorities. The family seems to have an agenda of their own and she is just a pawn in the game...or so it seemed, until last spring when she seemed to change character from a loving bride and began ranting for more and more money. (We chalked it up to some translator writing the letters...perhaps even her sister who is now rich via marrying a farang who later became successful businessman. NO to spending outside the budget, but she just went ahead. Then threatened to become a bar-girl if he didn't send between 450 and 500 dollars a month. Later, she said this wasn't a serious threat, only a "test" of him. Originally the future wedding ceremony in Khon Kaen was agreed by the family to be: $1000 bride price, a modest ceremony which could be up to a $1000, and a diamond ring. Then this spring, arguing for $400 or $500 a month--which was never agreed upon priorly although she claims so--she also demands now for the wedding: 150,000 bahts for mother; 150,000 bahts for reception which the Mom will cater ; and 150,000 bahts for show at wedding--with an unspecified amount returned later. One one-carat diamond ring. She now claims if these demands aren't meant her parents will refuse to let her come to America. Also, recently she has said if $250 monthly isn't sent to mother then she won't be "allowed" to go. Once in America, she claims she will try to pay half of Mom's costs. My son thought maybe they could get non-contested annulment and then apply for a K-1 visa for her---as it seems risky to bring her to America as a wife---while he would be protected if she were only a fiancee. If they were simpatico here, they could marry in the US, and then return for the Thai ceremony in a year (and he could get a pre-nup before he marries her here.) Would this work?
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