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    By drake, Created on: 13/08/2010, Last updated on: 11/11/2013

    ยป [quote:31gxfa6m]by drake on Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:21 pm How about industrial infrastructure instead of govt. admin ? The ppl might get some real skills then. by Voice on Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:07 pm I do agree with you there drake Thailand need much of those infrastructure like railway and better motoway...

    • prommee_NE commented : Talking of Solar Panels....I was chatting to a manufacturer of them (from raw materials) about five years ago on a hospital balcony in Udon Thani. He had moved his company from China to Khon Kaen because the workforce was much better in Thailand (not because it was cheaper!)...and was manufacturing very good solar panels...but only for export. The internal market was using an inferior quality panel manufactured somewhere else closer to BKK. (maybe he would say that but look it up and you will see the differences) The point I would like to make however, is that electricity as it is currently created in Thailand is so much cheaper than solar energy that solar has no chance of entering the main market on the same scale as (say) Germany. There are however other energy alternatives that are better suited to the physical and climatic conditions in Thailand. Biomass is one such resource that has been experimented with on a small scale...but could be used in many villages and make them more self-sufficient...especially if the machinery included the production of compost. There are machines that have been designed in Denmark and possibly elsewhere that are ideal for village use...that are much cheaper than the solar panels provided as Government grants to places without electricity (or were provided in a former pre-coup era)...they rely on ready available current waste products with the addition of a small area of easily grown fuel. It would of course remove a source of income from the Electricity Providers...but would help the village communities and Thailand in general tremendously.

    • drake commented : [quote="prommee_NE":3e2x41d1]Talking of Solar Panels....I was chatting to a manufacturer of them (from raw materials) about five years ago on a hospital balcony in Udon Thani. He had moved his company from China to Khon Kaen because the workforce was much better in Thailand (not because it was cheaper!)...and was manufacturing very good solar panels...but only for export. The internal market was using an inferior quality panel manufactured somewhere else closer to BKK. (maybe he would say that but look it up and you will see the differences) The point I would like to make however, is that electricity as it is currently created in Thailand is so much cheaper than solar energy that solar has no chance of entering the main market on the same scale as (say) Germany. There are however other energy alternatives that are better suited to the physical and climatic conditions in Thailand. Biomass is one such resource that has been experimented with on a small scale...but could be used in many villages and make them more self-sufficient...especially if the machinery included the production of compost. There are machines that have been designed in Denmark and possibly elsewhere that are ideal for village use...that are much cheaper than the solar panels provided as Government grants to places without electricity (or were provided in a former pre-coup era)...they rely on ready available current waste products with the addition of a small area of easily grown fuel. It would of course remove a source of income from the Electricity Providers...but would help the village communities and Thailand in general tremendously.[/quote:3e2x41d1] Regarding PV/Solar Electric. The basic technology to manufacture the solar cell is the same as for other semiconductor devices but simpler. IF someone were to start up a fab (semiconductor foundry) then it can be a stepping stone to more complex product(s). As far as I know, there is no semiconductor foundry of any kind in Thailand (someone correct me, please) By any chance you recall the name of this Chinese company in KhonKaen ? Whereas the cost of electricity is a little cheaper in Thailand than in Europe/US, there is a huge amount of government subsidy in PV and non-fossil fuel based energy and hence the popularity there. Where many electricity generating entities in Europe and US are 'for profit' private corporation,in Thiland, EGAT would be very happy to lose a few customers because they are quite overloaded the way it is. My real interest on the topic isn't about electric power generation but rather getting Thailand it's own semiconductor manufacturing capability and PV cell foundry is a good stepping stone. Biomass, that's a different animal. Depending on what it is, one either burn it directly in a high temperature furnace or convert it in to some other fuel (eg. methanol, ethanol, methane, bio-diesel) Except for bio-diesel, the process is a little more complicated/tedious and not that suitable for deployment in small ville. There is no single ideal solution for localized renewable electric generation, every location is unique and the solution must be optimized for each location.

    • Christian9 commented : [quote="drake":av3lyv6h][quote="prommee_NE":av3lyv6h][u:av3lyv6h]Talking of [url=http://www.shinesolar.net:av3lyv6h][color=#000000:av3lyv6h]solar panel[/color:av3lyv6h][/url:av3lyv6h]....I was chatting to a manufacturer of them (from raw materials) about five years ago on a hospital balcony in Udon Thani. He had moved his company from China to Khon Kaen because the workforce was much better in Thailand (not because it was cheaper!)...and was manufacturing very good solar panels...but only for export. The internal market was using an inferior quality panel manufactured somewhere else closer to BKK. (maybe he would say that but look it up and you will see the differences) The point I would like to make however, is that electricity as it is currently created in Thailand is so much cheaper than solar energy that solar has no chance of entering the main market on the same scale as (say) Germany. There are however other energy alternatives that are better suited to the physical and climatic conditions in Thailand. Biomass is one such resource that has been experimented with on a small scale...but could be used in many villages and make them more self-sufficient...especially if the machinery included the production of compost. There are machines that have been designed in Denmark and possibly elsewhere that are ideal for village use...that are much cheaper than the solar panels provided as Government grants to places without electricity (or were provided in a former pre-coup era)...they rely on ready available current waste products with the addition of a small area of easily grown fuel. It would of course remove a source of income from the Electricity Providers...but would help the village communities and Thailand in general tremendously.[/quote:av3lyv6h] Regarding PV/Solar Electric. The basic technology to manufacture the solar cell is the same as for other semiconductor devices but simpler. IF someone were to start up a fab (semiconductor foundry) then it can be a stepping stone to more complex product(s). As far as I know, there is no semiconductor foundry of any kind in Thailand (someone correct me, please) By any chance you recall the name of this Chinese company in KhonKaen ? Whereas the cost of electricity is a little cheaper in Thailand than in Europe/US, there is a huge amount of government subsidy in PV and non-fossil fuel based energy and hence the popularity there. Where many electricity generating entities in Europe and US are 'for profit' private corporation,in Thiland, EGAT would be very happy to lose a few customers because they are quite overloaded the way it is. My real interest on the topic isn't about electric power generation but rather getting Thailand it's own semiconductor manufacturing capability and PV cell foundry is a good stepping stone. Biomass, that's a different animal. Depending on what it is, one either burn it directly in a high temperature furnace or convert it in to some other fuel (eg. methanol, ethanol, methane, bio-diesel) Except for bio-diesel, the process is a little more complicated/tedious and not that suitable for deployment in small ville. There is no single ideal solution for localized renewable electric generation, every location is unique and the solution must be optimized for each location.[/u:av3lyv6h] [/quote:av3lyv6h] Yes there is no other way of generating clean and renewable electricity.. I have got solar panels for my home roof and got good some results.

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