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    Some comments from typical Thai lady.

    By Anonymous, Created on: 29/01/2008, Last updated on: 25/05/2009

    » Just some comments from Thai lady side, please be known that my comments are from only my experience. Why do we look down Farang with dark woman? - They don't have the minimum standard for their wife. ( I have no complain marrying with bar girl. What the reason do you choose her to be your...

    • Anonymous commented : Dear Thai Lady, I think this might have something to do with the official Thai policy towards foreigners. Instead of inviting productive and serious farangs to a permanent stay in Thailand, the various Thai governments wants to exclude foreigners’ from settling and instead encouraging mass tourism, marketing Thailand as a party zone for party animals. Hence you get lots of brainless farangs desperately looking for a fast party with a strict time limit to get “lucky”. Many behave like animals. I think this is a matter of Thai politicians looking to twist fast money out of farangs pockets without taking any obligations for letting “colonialists” stay in the Kingdom on a more fair and committing basis. As a business man I can honestly tell you there is no such thing as fast money. This is a Thai/Japanese tradition; If foreigners have something Thailand needs/wants; buy it, copy it, steal it or take it and send the farangs out afterwards. ASAP. I totally disagree with AD in his reply to you. Thailand has invited white trash en masse just in order to rip them off as fast as possible instead of inviting “white gold” to stay and contribute to Thai society over a long period of time. What you have asked for you has got. I have seen it with my own eyes. I do not understand what there is to complain about. If you want to see a change in this, like I do, you should talk about it with some Thai politicians. I MHO you should find out what you want in Thailand. 1) Fast money and bad behavior from ignorant tourists 2) No money but keeping the streets around Nana clean of white trash 3) Good farangs and lots but slow money OR; 4) No farangs and No money from farangs I know you Thais want to have fast money, good behavior and no farangs permanently staying at same time, but I am afraid that is impossible. You must take a pick. Best regards, Hans

    • GORDON commented : HI TO ALL THAI LADY,S. I AM A FARANG LIVING HERE WITH MY THAI WIFE AND FAMILY AND OCCASIONALY GO OUT FOR A NIGHT OUT WITH THE BOYS . I AND MY FRIENDS ENJOY LOOKING AT ALL THE BEAUTIFULL YOUNG LADIES BUT WE DO NOT CARE TO SEE GIRLS BEING MAULED BY STRANGERS OR TEMPORARY FRIENDS[SO CALLED BOYFRIENDS I.E. 1 MONTH]. THAT BEHAVIOUR IS NOT WHAT WE SEE AT HOME . IT IS DRUNKEN BEHAVIOUR OFTEN ENCOURAGED BY THE GIRLS SEEKING TIPS. SOMETIMES IT IS THE GIRLS WHO GRAB YOU UNWELCOMELY , BUT I APPRECIATE THAT ESPECIALY NOW THAT TIMES ARE HARDER THE GIRLS ARE MAKING [ OR TRYING TO ] A LIVING THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN TO SUPPORT A FAMILY AND OFTEN A CHILD OR 2 BY A THAI MAN WHO DUCKS HIS RESPONSABILITY AS MANY DO. I UNDERSTAND THE THAI WAY OF NOT SHOWING AFFECTION IN PUBLIC , AND I BELIEVE THAT IS CHANGING WITH THE YOUNGER GENERATION . I DO NOT FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE HOLDING MY WIFE,S HAND ANYWHERE EVEN BACK IN HER VILLAGE. THAILAND IS CHANGING , I AND MANY ORDINARY FARANGS AGREE WITH YOU THAT A HALFWAY MEASURE IS ALWAYS THE BEST. NO ONE WAY IS ALWAYS RIGHT , LIFE IS ABOUT MAKING COMPROMISES , SHARING VIEWS AND IDEAS . THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO BE HAPPY IN YOUR LIFE WHETHER IT BE A MARRIGE OF THE SAME CULTURE OR THE BLENDING OF 2 . IN A LOT OF WAYS A MARRIAGE BETWEEN 2 DIFFERENT CULTURES IS ENRICHING FOR BOTH PARTIES ENVOLVED. A LOT OF UNDERSTANDING AND PATIENCE IS REQUIRED . SOMETIMES IT IS HARD NOT TO ARGUE TOO STRONGLY ABOUT WHAT SEEM TO US FARANGS AS VERY SILLY SUPERSTITIONS , WE HAVE TO SOMETIMES STOP THINKING LIKE FARANGS AND SOME OF THE SMOKE CLEARS , ALL IT TAKES IS A LITTLE UNDERSTANDING THAT ALL PEOPLE WHETHER FROM DIFFERENT CULTURES OR NOT ARE JUST THAT - DIFFERENT , AND AS WE SAY IN THE WEST - MEN ARE FROM MARS / WOMEN ARE FROM VENUS . PLEASE TRY NOT TO JUDGE ALL FARANGS BY THE DRUNKEN TOURISTS , THEY FOR THE MOST PART ARE JUST BOYS LET LOOSE IN THE TOY SHOP. ------A SMALL POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IN CLOSING IS THAT I THINK IT UNFAIR TO BLAME THE TOURISTS FOR THE SEX INDUSTRY APART FROM THE OBVIOUS AREAS WHERE IT IS EXPLOITED - BANGKOK/PATTAI/PHUKET TO NAME 3. I READ THAT 95% IS FOR HOME CONSUMPTION , ENCOURAGED BY THE SHY VICTORIAN CUSTOMS OF THAI COURTSHIP AND LACK OF SERIOUS SEX EDUCATION FOR YOUNG LADIES . PLEASE DON,T TAKE MY COMMENTS AS CRITISISIM OF THAILAND IT IS JUST MY VIEWS AFTER DISCUSSIONS WITH MY WIFE . WE HAVE BEEN MARRIED FOR MORE THAN 3 YEARS AND STILL LEARNING FROM EACH OTHER. A BLESSING TO YOU ALL WHO READ THIS - BE HAPPY . GORDON - Sorry to all this is is uppercase , at the time I posted I was new to posting.

    • Anonymous commented : Hi AD, Probably not as often as you, AD, there are other places in the world to see, you know. Besides I have stated several times before that I am in this forum to learn about Thailand and not to teach Thais or farangs living in LOS how to be or do. I sometimes do disagree with you but for me that is not a problem at all. You have your opinions and I have mine. I fail to see why we should mean exactly the same about everything. I can tell you a secret AD: Sometimes I even agree 100% with Adam`s opinions. This specific time is one of the rather few times I totally disagreed with you. “Thai lady 10th ..............I am sincerely sorry, and feel ashamed at the behavior of some farang men i have seen in Thailand. Please believe me when i say that we are not all like them.” AD; I can also feel disgusted when I see the behavior of some tourists in Thailand but I do not accept that farangs in general are blamed for the bad behavior of a few. Neither do I apologize for it. Thai authorities have constantly denied fair play for constructive farangs to settle in LOS just in order to import masses of white trash on 30-days tourist visas in order to milk them for money, so exactly what do you or ”Thai-lady” expect from farang party animals, AD? Usually they drink themselves senseless, Drunk, fat, frustrated, ugly, uneducated 20-65 YO Scandinavians, Aussies and Germans are screaming in the streets with a 20 YO Thai girl in each arm. Farangs speaking lousy English and those of them being most familiar with Thailand has even picked up some kind of gutter-pasa-thai instead of real pasa thai. What a shame! But why should you or I apologize for them? I to go to Wenzhou , Xiamen and Dalian in China in April, and if I have the time I will visit Bangkok in order to straighten a few things out concerning my account in Tanakarn Khrung Theep (Bangkok Bank) . Best regards, Hans

    • 49 replies, 67,566 views

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    Murder in Ranong

    By Anonymous, Created on: 12/02/2008, Last updated on: 31/07/2009

    » I wonder why nothing has been reported in the English language newspapersof Thailand regarding the recent murder of a Canadian Citizen living in Ranong. The grieving family in Canada have been kept in the dark by not being able to access any information. Three people have been arrested including the...

    • buzzlighyear commented : anyone who lives in thai that is white is doing a very risky thing indeed. why would you surround yourself around a bunch of people that have no money and would not care wether or not you are dead or alive. first off why would you want to live there. what would you do . deff not the party scene , not the great culture . why ???? if you want to be able to have sex with a small hot chick just stay in bangkok where it's a little safer or bring her back to your home . staying in thai is asking for trouble . nothing good can come from it . how you going to make money ?? iam not old . iam just turning 25 and find it rediculous how many old men get taken advantage of . what 20 something year old woman is going to love for real a fat white guy in his late 40's to 50's . just ask yourself??? they want your money and thats it. yea they sound nice and try to be lovely but in the end it's about boom boom and take care . we all know this . love for thai women is based off of their need to be taken care of . and yes i do see a problem with thai women finding men just for a more financially stable future. how bout go to school , get a job , or not have 3 children by the time of 16 , thanks

    • 19 replies, 32,413 views

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    Just to express my feeling.

    By Anonymous, Created on: 12/02/2008, Last updated on: 01/03/2008

    » Dear All, I have read many interesting topics here. Mostly, were written about Thai women. Some have bad experience with bar girls, but saying in the big picture as Thai women. Those who have been suffered from bar girls questioned why do bad stories hit them and blamed their ex. I, as a not-bar...

    • Anonymous commented : just making problems for both parties. Better if people spent a little time for the right man or woman. However PS, I have heard about several good and lasting relationships amongst Bar girls and farang tourists. What concerns your ex-(farang) boyfriend I think he got what he deserved. Best regards, Hans

    • 28 replies, 15,322 views

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    marriage in thailand

    By Anonymous, Created on: 15/02/2008, Last updated on: 21/02/2008

    » im canadian , how do we get married in thailand , and what is easy way to do it ?

    • Anonymous commented : in Thailand consists of both parties registering their marriage in person with the local Thai Amphur (Civil Registry Office). [ The United States does recognize the validity of such a marriage.] 1. Complete an affidavit at the Canadian Embassy, 15th Floor, Abdulrahim Place 990 Rama IV Road Bangrak, Bangkok 10500 Thailand The affidavit form, available upon request, includes all of the information required by relevant Thai law. The form must be completed and notarized at the Embassy. You may download a copy of the form here. 2. Have the notarized affidavit translated. Click here for a list of translators in the Bangkok area. 3. Take the affidavit and translation to: Legalization Division Department of Consular Affairs Ministry of Foreign Affairs 3rd Floor, 123 Chaeng Wattana Road Tung Song Hong, Laksi District, Bangkok Tel:(02) 575-1057-8, Fax:(02) 575-1054 4. Take the affidavit and supporting documents to a local Amphur and register yourselves as married. The Amphur will also require the following documents: Your Canadian passport If one party is Thai, the Thai citizen's identification card If either party is under the age of twenty, written permission from the parents (with Thai translation); If either you or your fiance have been previously married the Amphur will want to see proof that prior marriages have been terminated; either divorce or death certificates. These documents, if available, should be translated into Thai prior to presentation at the Amphur. Simple, and good luck, I hope he's a honey.

    • 8 replies, 4,152 views

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    GANGSTERS IN AIRPORT SECURITY STAFF BKK INT'L AIRPORT

    By Anonymous, Created on: 01/03/2008, Last updated on: 30/07/2009

    » Report to Security Manager and Airport Police, robbery at X-Ray checking of passengers, 27 Feb 2008 . Copy sent to embassies and medias. 29 FEB 2008 Mr Michel XIMA Chemin du Mistral 13113 – LAMANON (France) mail : michel.xima@wanadoo.fr Attention to : CHIEF SECURITY PASSENGERS § AIRPORT...

    • 2 replies, 12,180 views

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    About Face.

    By Sean Moran, Created on: 14/10/2008, Last updated on: 13/04/2014

    » One olde axiom that comes to mind is, '[i:3b539sim]If you can't say something nice, then keep your mouth s.h.u.t.[/i:3b539sim]' Just a thread that pertains to one of the cultural differences one might notice in venturing from a typical 'westernised' society of the assertive kind to the shores of...

    • fast eddy commented : a one shot deal between both parties in which Thais generally get the best deal they can. They live in the now and think in the now! Could it be that these 'ships in the night' type of relationships are generally between Thai/Chinese trades people and tourists with neither having a vested interest in going much deeper than 'the now'? fast eddy

    • Sean Moran commented : a one shot deal between both parties in which Thais generally get the best deal they can. They live in the now and think in the now! Could it be that these 'ships in the night' type of relationships are generally between Thai/Chinese trades people and tourists with neither having a vested interest in going much deeper than 'the now'? fast eddy[/quote:18szifmw] Regarding the problem mentioned, I reckon it's right on the mark Mr Eddy. That's why I prefer to live in the rural places where Mr Klaus' 'rumor-mill' travels a lot further than in the big cities. So many tourists ARE only around for 'the now' and there is no comparison between the treatment that I have received as a farang in Bangkok or even strange places or the streets in Nonthaburi with that of Mabkha or up in the village at Nikhom Pattana. I'd try to explain further how good luck was my friend when I first arrived in the LoS, but it might take the thread off-topic, perhaps. I'd just like to mention that the 'shallowness' might be normal reaction to relentless tourism, and I've had it countless times from strangers, but it is possible to get to know the people in a rural community given some time, providing you keep good habits and get to bed most nights at a reasonable hour, without company. That reputation side is a large subject, and although related very closely to the topic, as Klaus pointed out, possibly best taken as a given for the purpose of the thread, I guess. I read this story on the Stickman site back in 2007 that really shed an optimistic light on foreign diplomacy in Thaoiland. I haven't read it in almost two years. The only words I remember are "Dan, you like jump plane?" I hope that the author's perspective might be fun to read, but you seem fairly right about the trust chasm between foreign strangers. I'm a bit that way myself in Australia anyway, when it comes to trusting strangers. [url=http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader2007/reader3596.htm:18szifmw]One Day In Thailand, anon.[/url:18szifmw]

    • klauskent commented : differential between trading parties. Your own status actually determines what respect you will get from those Thais in your periphery. The trouble is, it is not often easy for Thais to discern exactly what status level Farangs should be afforded. Years ago they would judge us by our clothing, but that has changed after they began to realize that some very wealthy Farangs have a propensity to dress in shorts and t-shirt everyday. The next detection ploy they generally use is engaging you in (what we feel is completely superficial and irrelevant) small-talk. The whole conversation is a subterfuge by which they asses your level of wealth, power, class, and also how well you behave within the boundaries of the Buddhist schemata. They use this knowledge not just to place your level in the society but also to determine what (if any) long and short term benefits they can derive from you. I can not place enough emphasis on this. When you first meet a Thai, those first few minutes are crucial and basically they are trying to place you within the system. This is the point where they will generally offer inclusion or exclusion from a variety of specific social group rankings and any requisite benefits that can be obtained or denied, respectively. After this process is completed, (in a negotiation setting) they must now discern just how willing you are to part with your money. Are you rich and money doesn't matter, are you of average means but very generous, or are you not quite aware of how things work and thus naive enough to pay a bit more than something is worth? This is where the rules of engagement come into play. Using a variety of different methods you can (usually) obtain what you wish and be fairly happy. But context, participants, and setting are very important features in the equation. Try to keep in mind that much of the culture is based on making merit in order to achieve rewards, in this life- or the next. If a Thai gets you to pay 4 times what something is worth I really don't think they feel they have done you a disservice. Reward systems are based on interpersonal relationships. Ian Mabbett refers to these as Lopsided relationships, with the person of higher status offering some tangible reward and the person of lower status merely offering in return some form of allegiance or respect. Therefore, if you are respected and treated well in the business negotiation it is reasonable to assume paying a higher premium is actually socially acceptable. Respecting culture is great but, If you find yourself paying 10 times what something is worth then not only have you done yourself a great disservice but you are disabling the social and economic leveling mechanisms inherent within the culture. This can have the short term consequence of (what Carl Marx refers to as) mystifying the indigenous. This process of mystification can easily be misconstrued and evaluated by Thais as either, 1) the reward for merit philosophy or 2) The Patron client relationship described by Mabbet. The resultant conditions are an entire culture of Thais finding it reasonable to assume, All westerners are, 1) Rich 2) Have power, ascendant personalities and mobility, therefore permanently wealthy, and 3) There is absolutely no harm or consequence to asking 10 times the actual value of a good or service. This is something we absolutely cannot blame on Thai people. This was a western invention and we as Farangs introduced it. Klaus

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