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    getting dual citizenship

    By Anonymous, Created on: 06/06/2006, Last updated on: 15/03/2011

    » hello every one i have a question reguarding dual citizenship program in thailand and would like clerification and advice from anybod in thailand. i was born in Thailand in 1978 (B.E. 2521) and my father (an American Tourist) ask that i be given a U.S. Citizen (at birth) in according to the Order...

    • udonthaniploi commented : To whom it may concern: What you are going to read is my story what happend in order to get my Thai nationalty back...... I am adopted when I was 3 months old from Udon Thani ,Isaan and went to Holland.After 32 years I went to Thailand for the very 1st time and with me just a copy from my Thai birthcertificate, which is a official Thai goverment document. A friend advised me to reapply for my Thai citizenship, whereas I wouldn't have to make these horrible visa runs and could easily buy a house or land and work without having to go immigration.And forget about all the other rules and regulations! Basically to have and be able to do all the things Thai nationals can do and Farangs can't do.[sorry] Upon seeing all the benefits of having a Thai ID card and passport, I eagerly agreed, so where to start? Don't forget, I am for the 1st time back home but surrounded in very much alien enviroment because I have my Thai looks but back then I couldn't speak Thai ,yet alone understand what people where saying to me in Thai, it's like being British but cannot speak English in England or any other country given!What a nightmare that was if you ask me.So from that moment I started then to learn Thai which "was" after all my mother tongue [again] anyway. So there I was with this piece of paper which would start my adventure to become what I am now, Thai national..... From the many Isaan people who helped me a lot , who where either working in restaurants or hotels alike provided me with all the nessary assistence. Some called relatives, who were working for the goverment and they said it could be done by finding relatives to actually garantee me to the municipalty officer who does the administration for Thai ID cards. So I just went to the adress stated on my birthcertificate in Udon Thani province and found [after a fashion]the house where I was born with the objective to find my relatives [ = read parents].......And yes , there was this very small lady doing bits and bobs around the house, which is a typical however beautiful wooden house ........I arrived back home aft 32 years to the very house where I was born !! Could this lady be my mum? Could she even know the people who lived there before her?!What are the chances to that?1000 things crossed my mind what if she doesnt know anything?It was twisting my knickers for a short moment of time but felt like an eternity. It turned out she was my elderly sister and she didn't really react like westerners do in this rather not everyday situation. She looked at me and I was told by the friendly Isaan peolpe who picked my up from the airport that she lived there all her life!Ok so I've found my sister...I was told that my biological mom who was still alive ,moved to the city in Udon ages ago to find work. Because she didn't had a mobile phone then , my sister called the neighbours in Udon who passed her the message after returning home from work.We arranged a meeting the next day at 12.00.Why we couldn't go to Udon there and then is still a mystery to me today but that's typical Thailand.I think my friends who picked me up wanted to go home.... So from that moment on my life changed, from 0 to lightspeed , you name it. The next day my feelings where all over the place, I just couldn't comprehend what was going on , I'd never felt this feeling before.I felt sad,happy, like a new born baby being born again,having the feeling a loved one passed away or was it just like landing on the moon? A new frontier, astronauts would say. So we've met , both nearly into tears, I could see the confirmation in her eyes and felt that was my mother indeed.... From there on my new [ reunited] family helped me to get my Thai citizenship back.They originally thought I had to go to the municipality office in the county where I was born.At the municipalty they didn't know what to do in this not everyday rather very rare situation wheras this "Farang" wanted his Thai nationalty back! What happend next is the quite the opposite what I've been reading in this forum because we simply didn't know how to proceed.There is even a Thai saying : to try and do everthing to get what you want...I got send from A to B and then back again just because apparently "nobody" knew what to do in this special case. After feeling happy Ifelt like it was going to be impossible to get my ID.However thinking to myself, never give up mate we are nearly there, felt again like waiting for ages and all ! My stephfather went instead to the municipalty in Udon whereas found out that was the place to get my Thai ID card. After being garanteed by relatives , and showing which is most crucial ,all my official adoption paper to this person I finally got the much wanted Thai ID card! Mission accomplished ! I have currently 2 passports,have dual citizenship and have 2 mothers and 2 fathers ,well technically speaking. Although I do not know how other countries use their laws , I think and experienced in Thailand you can sometimes expect everything but then again you might end up with nothing at all.Why? The answer is simple , you just don't now what to do. You don't speak the local lingo, sometimes you'll get frustrated because things are getting done soooo slow while in some countries it can be the contrary.Then again some things are being done in blink of an eye.Isn't this what happens everywhere nowadays? My advice : if you get stuck and don't know where to go in a foreign country what and where would you go in your home country where everything is "more organised"?Just do the same tactics and you might[?] achieve some results even better yet get a overall 100% score.Most importanly is your intel, how good can you use it for your primary objective? Another thing was I had to wait 6 weeks to get my Thai ID because it turned out I wasn't just the only one who wanted the same...... I heard afterwards from a high ranking foreign affairs officer that he had about 200 [ ! ]cases applying on a monthly basis however not everybody qualifies acccording to him however most do. The End. From Udon Thani with love, to Amsterdam with happiness.

    • 43 replies, 126,019 views

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    Estimate of Dowry for Girls family

    By Anonymous, Created on: 14/05/2006, Last updated on: 24/01/2007

    » I am a good Thai girl.. To marry to Thai girl you need to have ceremony and dowry ( no dowry it dosn'r mean marriage) for poor family is about 60,000 this is for non eductaed girls nore good job. ( if not she will lose face of whol family and all will gossip)- 2 if she has a degree or good...

    • Anonymous commented : A tradition yes for a virgin perhaps, normally when a farang comes on the scene, the girl has been married and has a child or two. To put it bluntly she is second hand! dowries have been paid etc. The family and the girl will be just as happy to find a man who wants to care for her and child. In Thailand no social funds to to keep and feed them. Her new man will give her a future which will nearly always result in a better life here or somewhere else. She if happy will not require a large expense to show off to the neighbours. althrough it can help to put on a show, fully refundable of course. Or has she forgot what the nieghbours said about her when she went to Pattaya in the first place? Forget the traditions she did when she first said yes. THE EASY WAY IS TO MARRIED AWAY FROM THE VILLAGE. and visit six months later have a family party perhaps a meal in a hotel( a very rare treat for her family, they will be scared out of their boxes). never build a house in her village, if you gonna live with her in Thailand make sure there is about 25kms between family and yourselves. Then you won;t have to feed everybody. and when you visit you will always be treated with respect. a little something a new trailer, tractor engine or a new motorcycle every six months, or replace the tin roof, build a toliet, or buy a couple of pigs every now and then, will work much better than expensive weddings. and will stop the greed and only for ma and pa do you do this for. The wife and I have done this, married for 7 years lived in Thailand for 3 yrs, 70/30 per cent earnings for PA and MA to look after our farm. Couldn't ask for a better family and the respect we receive from other relatives. and we have our own life style without problem. they can visit when they want and the same for us. any problems we are only 30 mins away. My wife will spend the day there or they will visit us, we always have a house/baby sitter not far away. If your woman wants the lot, is she really gonna stop after the wedding?

    • 37 replies, 18,794 views

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    Buying property in Thailand

    By Anonymous, Created on: 17/02/2006, Last updated on: 11/11/2011

    » Nothing much to say here is there, i think that IAN has told us all there is to know and believe me.......... .he's right.

    • Anonymous commented : BANGKOKPOST, 24 JULY 2006 DATELINEBangkok Land scandalon Samui needs study Prachachart Turakij editorial _ Over two decades ago, Samui was known as a paradise island with beautiful beaches and verdant forests. As tourism grew, property developers descended on the island. New hotels and luxury housing projects sprouted up. Land prices skyrocketed. Samui is back in the news, but for a different reason. Two weeks ago, Surat Thani provincial authorities began looking into possible encroachment onto forest reserve land and other illegal ownership. Caretaker Natural Resources and Environment Minister Yongyuth Tiyapairat flew to the island with investigators. He said there was evidence that several plots of land around Khao Dang and Khao Duangnok might have been obtained illegally for sale to foreigners. Meanwhile, another investigation was launched by Pien Yongnu, head of the Bangkok Metropolitan Waterworks Labour Union, who claimed that leading members of the ruling Thai Rak Thai party had bought large parcels of land from local villagers and later obtained title deeds. Sand was dumped onto rocky beaches while local authorities were ordered to cut a new road into the area, Mr Pien claimed. Our own investigations reveal that foreign companies are involved in the current land development boom on Samui. Big advertisements for property projects have appeared in Thai and foreign media to draw foreign buyers. Some of these projects are operated by foreigners who use Thai proxies to set up companies here. With a lot of money at their disposal, these foreign property developers buy land along the beaches and on the hills. We urge caretaker Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra to look into this matter and take action against anyone found to have violated the law.

    • Anonymous commented : REAL ESTATE / PRIME DOWNTOWN BANGKOK SITE British embassy completes sale of nine-rai plot to Central The British government yesterday completed the sale of part of its Bangkok embassy compound on Phloen Chit Road to the Central Group, the country's largest retail operator. The price of the prized nine-rai plot to Central affiliate Tiang Chirathivat Real Estate Co was not disclosed but industry experts estimated it at three billion baht. Central edged Land & Houses Plc, the country's largest residential developer, in the contest to acquire the site. The company wants to turn the plot into a shopping area, serviced apartments or a hotel and entertainment anchor to complement its nearby Central Chidlom store. Intense competition in the retail business in Bangkok's central business district has driven Central to seek ways to build on its existing businesses, which are now constrained by limited space, according to industry analysts. Central executives declined to comment on the deal, but the British Embassy said yesterday it was the largest-ever property sale by the Foreign Office. The historic residence, the embassy and the "green character" of the compound would be preserved, it said. About 11 million (770 million baht) of the proceeds will fund redevelopment of the remainder of the compound, including new staff accommodation, recreational facilities, remodelling of the embassy offices and security work. The embassy said that the 32.3-rai compound, purchased in 1922, was larger than needed. It said the land sold was the most polluted and noisiest part of the compound, next to the six-lane Phloen Chit Road and the BTS skytrain. The War Memorial and statue of Queen Victoria would be moved to appropriate sites near the residence, officials said.

    • Anonymous commented : Hey Aussie Dave. I thought that you probably missed this article since business section can sometimes be very boring. This partnership will be good for the business community. In the long term, common Thais will not be able to afford to live and or visit these places. The one of possitive aspect is that this business will help bring/improve the building standards/codes in Thailand to first world standard. Since certain ethnic developers will not meet the world building standards/codes due to profit and their old building habits. Real Estate/Residential Sales Dutch Brokerage Taps Luxury Market, 25 February 2006 The Dutch property brokerage My Trusted House (MTH) is expanding into Asia, using Thailand as its base to explore business opportunities in the region. ''We started with Thailand because European people love to take holidays here. After their visits, some people want to buy a house to stay here,'' said Ronald Joosten, the executive partner of MTH Asia Pacific Co. My Trusted House is a leading property sales and marketing agent in Europe, with a focus on luxury vacation homes. It established MTH Asia Pacific with Thai partners to handle its first operation in Asia. The local partners have not been named. Mr Joosten said that Europeans felt comfortable about investing in property in Thailand, despite the lack of land ownership rights for foreigners. ''Thailand is very strong in terms of safety, the economy as well as political [stability] compared with other Asian countries,'' he said. Apart from tourists, the company intends to target as potential customers the large number of expatriates in top management positions with multinational companies in Thailand. It will also link up with accounting, financial and law firms to help ensure that foreigners earn benefits from their property investments in Thailand. The strong growth of the local resale market for real estate also appeals to investors, Mr Joosten added. The company's first venture in Asia is Royal Maritime in Sattahip, Chon Buri. It consists of 25 luxury villas with prices ranging between 30 million and 70 million baht each. The company will hold its first event, called Living Rich Asia, this weekend at the Raffles Park Nai Lert Hotel in Bangkok, in order to introduce itself and the new villa project to affluent Thai clients. It will also arrange its first tour of Thailand for 50 affluent European investors in March. In addition, MTH plans to join with a local cable TV operator to set up Travel TV, aiming to broadcast across Thailand by the end of this year. The travel TV channel will be its key marketing tool following the success in Europe of Liberty TV, its 24-hour leisure and lifestyle channel based in Luxembourg. The television programming focuses on selling vacation-related products including hotels, airline tickets and property. The channel is currently seen in Luxembourg, Germany France, the Netherlands and Belgium. MTH has other property projects in the pipeline in Chiang Mai, Phuket, Samui and Bangkok. After Thailand, the company will expand its business into other Asian countries, including China and Singapore.

    • 119 replies, 367,763 views

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    divorce and marriage law in thailand

    By Anonymous, Created on: 23/04/2005, Last updated on: 12/07/2007

    » can any one advise me the following matter. a friend of mine will be getting married to his thai fiancee in 12 days time in thailand. what i would like to know is if the marriage should sadly break down and then his wife goes back to thailand after say they have lived in england for about 6 months...

    • Anonymous commented : Ian. I have just spent three years in Perth and I do not agree that Australia is very much more developed than Thailand. Thailand has far superior hospitals, better eqipped and staffed, better hotels, much better restaurants and food, far better security, a better road system. Cleaner food handling in many eating places. a better quality of life etc, etc. I have lived a total of 25 years in Thailand, I leave things in the back of my pickup, I leave my boat anchored unattended on the beach, I,ve never been robbed. In Perth my house was broken into three times, my car 4 times and my boat stolen. My 15 year old daughter could not go out alone after 6.pm Australia has one of the highest suicide rates in the world, the highest gambling and the second juvenile delinquancy rate in the developed world. It laso has many supporters of racist Pauline Hanson. I hope Thailand never develops into any thing like Australia

    • 66 replies, 27,286 views

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    Solar Power

    By Anonymous, Created on: 29/03/2005, Last updated on: 31/03/2015

    » I dont understand why Thailand is not using the sun which is there 365 days/year. Can anybody tell me ? I am in the process of building a house but when it comes to solar energy i might have to import myself to only then be confronted with a high import tax on such products. And that while closing...

    • Anonymous commented : You need to go to Solartron and Ekarat Solar websites. Their facilities are utilizing solar panels on their roofs. I saw some hotels in Phuket and Samui islands with solar panels on rooftops. In USA, Wal-Mart is using solar panels and large wind-generators on their spacious facilities. Manufactering facilities would have plenty of space for large wind-generators that could produce about 800 to 2,000 Kilowatt-hours per month or more, which will depend on the wind resource/speed.

    • rickyward commented : Here in Chiang Mai there is a condo building boom just like Pattaya but while all the flat roofs could be covered with solar panels but there are none. Why is this so? The answer is like that to the question of why so much farmland goes unproductive and farmers feel forced to clear forest to make a living or go overseas to work. Yes, the ultra rich have cornered the market for solar panels and have laws in place to exclude others. This was the information supplied to a recent forum in Chiang Mai about damming the Mekong to supply electricity for the Thai EGAT grid by former senator and environment campaigner Kraisak Choonhavan. He told us that for a building ( other than a small house I suspect ) to install solar panels it must first be registered as a factory, a process which takes many months. Little wonder hotels and condos do not bother, but also it is clear that factories do not as well. So write to Mr Prayuth, I suggest ,and insist he open the field up and remove import duties while he is about it.

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    thai divorce and property law

    By Anonymous, Created on: 21/02/2005, Last updated on: 16/01/2006

    » I'm a U.S. citizen and married to a thai guy in U.S., he has nothing in U.S. but business ownership, land and bank accounts in thailand. our baby is going to be U.S. citizen, i want to know, is it true by law that he told me that i cannot co-own any business, land or bank account of his? what can...

    • Anonymous commented : Correction. Son originally agreed to give new Thai bride $250 a month (not 250 bahts) from MT until processed her K-3. He also sent twice that originally for a period of time to help her pay off her previous debts. Then he insisted that they go back to their original agreement--$250 only--except for emergencies and gifts. She had gotten used to the higher amount and hit the roof and refuse to maintain the budget by spending all the $250 from the account he set up for her as soon as it arrived--the first week of the month and then cajoling constantly for more.. When he refused to send more--as he had warned her he must save for visa, marriage and take care of his new business--She claimed he was starving her and not meeting his obligations. She didn't seem to ever believe him when he would tell her by phone and by email NO NO NO to outspending the $250 each month. She never sent any sad ,separated sweetheart kinds of emails, once he forced her to stay within budget (she receives 8000 bahts a month from her sister for caring for the sister's 8 year old spoiled son---even bathing him, dressing him, powdering his bottom, and catering to his every whim) In the spring, she only wrote about her husband's being "selfish---all my Thai friends agree---you're selfish---just like Thai men are." (???) "Why did you sign marriage registration if you weren't going to support me?!! Why you lie? How can I trust you?" She also got him to provide for English lessons, and claimed to be the best student in her class, but then dropped the classes this spring, around the time he started "starving" her. This girl has a car, lives in a new high standard house which the three sisters just bought for their parents---to get them out of police housing. They also have a country house, with rice, pond, etc. The father isn't retired, still working but spends most of his time with his girlfriend and refuses to pay mortgage for the house, so daughters are each to pay a third...so new bride keeps asking my son to send money for mortgage ASAP.... 1) Could they annul and then apply for a K-1 visa with any chance of success? 2) In an uncontested divorce, in a marriage of 8 months, in which the couple has never lived together since registration, could the "husband" sign papers in US and get a proxy to present them at the amphur? 3) If they married in Bangkok, shouldn't they divorce there instead of in Khon Kaen which she insists? 4) Although non-contested, can the Amphur then assess a lot of trumped up fines on my son, and refuse to let him leave the country until they were paid? (She might have run up credit card debts or whatever in the nine months since he's seen her...) 5) Could he divorce her from the US, according to Thai laws, and send the papers over? We believe that last spring, she might have reunited with an old Thai boyfriend; or that her sister is lining up one of her husband's older friends to marry her next...they seem awfully anxious to end it....but my son says he would be a sitting duck for the cops or old boyfriends or whomever---leaving her with all his worldly assets, or at least half...(Somehow his bank knew of his recent foreign marriage, although he has never informed them? Weird...she has US in-laws with former CIA connections...it feels claustrophia and maybe we're paranoid...but reading the UN Report about Human Rights Violations during the Crackdown...and the disappearance of farangs, and the recognition that the police system is questionable and prisons unassailable...going back isn't an option, but the need to end this travesty is weighing on all of us...as we vasilate like the ones who write to Stickman...She's innocent/she's not; she's cohersed/she instigating; she's Cinderella/she's Cruella de Ville; she has a Thai boyfriend/she doesn't/she is lining up a richer farang/she's heartbroken; he could go safely and quickly for a co-signing/he will get hit with lawsuits and not be able to leave the country; he would be safe in Bangkok/he would be set upon by a gang paid to avenge Thai girl's loss of face---farang thinks $250 enough for ME while he saves for wedding!!! Then one day he noticed while she was suppose to be at home--as she stated in her email--visiting with friends next door in Khon Kaen--documents from the account he set up for her had a withdrawal from Bangkok. When he asked her about this she said it was a mistake. She claimed she hadn't returned to Bangkok since their wedding, the day he flew back to Montana. He went to great effort to have the bank double-check where the withdrawal occurred. She claimed it was the Malikan branch on Bangkok Road in Khon Kaen. So--he sent her $85 and told her to please use that same branch bank for the withdrawal...she has refused and asked that he drop the subject as it is boring her, and she dislikes him accusing her as she is innocent. Ever since her weird behavior this spring, my son and I have been combing the internet to try and understand Thai culture, divorce and marriage laws, bar girls and found this forum. She has belatedly agreed to co-signing an annulment, and wants him to apply for the K-1 afterwards. However, when he asks that she and her mother or whomever, and nephew meet him in Bangkok where they married for annulment, with him paying all expenses, hotel, plane, etc. She refuses and says they must meet in Khon Kaen. My son worries that it wouldn't be safe to return to Khon Kaen. Although agreeing to co-signment of a non-contested divorce, she seems to be talleying up "her" expenses---could they hit him with a big bill for costing her "face" or whatever...and refuse to let him leave the country w/o his first paying? With a police chief father, who seems to really enjoy finding drug cars, which the police can then keep for themselves, and an uncle who is a lawyer---and the kind of records she seems to be keeping---it seems highly unlikely that my son can sail in, sign, and sail out. Would a proxy be allowed? The girl, herself, seems to rather naive, she has been caring for her sister's (who married a farang GI) child since the boy was 2 years old---the child is constantly being refused immigration by Thai authorities. The family seems to have an agenda of their own and she is just a pawn in the game...or so it seemed, until last spring when she seemed to change character from a loving bride and began ranting for more and more money. (We chalked it up to some translator writing the letters...perhaps even her sister who is now rich via marrying a farang who later became successful businessman. NO to spending outside the budget, but she just went ahead. Then threatened to become a bar-girl if he didn't send between 450 and 500 dollars a month. Later, she said this wasn't a serious threat, only a "test" of him. Originally the future wedding ceremony in Khon Kaen was agreed by the family to be: $1000 bride price, a modest ceremony which could be up to a $1000, and a diamond ring. Then this spring, arguing for $400 or $500 a month--which was never agreed upon priorly although she claims so--she also demands now for the wedding: 150,000 bahts for mother; 150,000 bahts for reception which the Mom will cater ; and 150,000 bahts for show at wedding--with an unspecified amount returned later. One one-carat diamond ring. She now claims if these demands aren't meant her parents will refuse to let her come to America. Also, recently she has said if $250 monthly isn't sent to mother then she won't be "allowed" to go. Once in America, she claims she will try to pay half of Mom's costs. My son thought maybe they could get non-contested annulment and then apply for a K-1 visa for her---as it seems risky to bring her to America as a wife---while he would be protected if she were only a fiancee. If they were simpatico here, they could marry in the US, and then return for the Thai ceremony in a year (and he could get a pre-nup before he marries her here.) Would this work?

    • Anonymous commented : Marriage was registered the last day he was in Thailand--last January 10th, during the tsunami season. Since they had only been together those 3 weeks in Thailand he wished a fiancee visa. Her American bro-in-law said that wouldn't work as she is only 26 and because of her working as a family nanny. Son wanted her to see if she liked Montana and his life before committing. They have no pre-nup. He would Love It if she were sincere about him. Do Thai women often ask for support of 4 or 500 dollars during all the months until visa comes through--although living at home w/o additional expenses? She now calls him "selfish" like "all Thai men" because he can only afford the previously agreed upon 2-250 a month---but with plenty of gifts and extra money when needed. Is there any chance this isn't a scam but miscommunication? Her sister is married to an older American, second wife, and is a trophy bride and might have given her younger sister false expectations. Son still loves girl but all she talks about is her need for money---4 to 500 dollars a month minimum until the visa comes through. Are karoke bars in hotels, where she used to work, a red flag for immigration? Do nice girls usually have tattoos...or are they for bar girls (she has two.)

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