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    good english girl needs advice on marrying good thai boy!

    By Anonymous, Created on: 22/01/2006, Last updated on: 02/02/2007

    » excuse me if i missed a previous post but it was killing me reading the tales of people here. I am assuredly marrying the one person I ever will, who is from Issan, in about 3.5 months. I am female, farang, he is of Thai nationality. What I would like to know is where I get advice on how my rights...

    • Anonymous commented : Emily. Make sure you cross all your t's and the like. If you live continueously in Thailand for 7 years - you can become a Permanent Resident. If you want Thai Citizenship, you must relinqish your foreign passport/citizenship, as Thai law does not permit dual citizenship. If you have a child the child can have dual citizenship until the age of 18. You can own a condo, but some conditions apply, eg the money used to purchase the condo, must be generated from outside Thailand. Owning land is not permitted, however this can be achieved through legal business deals. If setting up a business in Thailand, you will be required to invest a certain amount of overseas generated money and be prepared to hire 4 Thais to every Farang. This one is easy, you just have a maid, maybe a driver and two staff on the min Thai going wage which is about 4-6000 baht a month. As for people here saying don't trust your boyfriend - I say BOLLOCKS! You know this yourself, I and many others I know have not been ripped off. For me, I make quite good money, about double the AUS standard and live well, but my inlaws are way richer and my wife is very well educated - hence my wife & family would have stuff all to gain from me. As for curruption, it is quite widespread. Don't get involved - unless it is just a traffic fine payment on the spot. Be polite at ALL times, make contacts with your greater Thai family. It is quite unusual for contract killings to go ahead in Thailand, especially on Farangs. Drug plantings are the main issue and some bad business deal (be very carefull there) other wise business and life in Thailand can be very rewarding. Also the two farangs who were murdered by the ex coppa- the ex coppa was given the death sentance, as was the monk who raped and killed an aussie girl a few years back. The Thai Government is VERY aware of the 11 mill tourists that travel here every year - they don't want that to stop or drop in numbers. Ian - you have some good points, but overall you are being negative. Em - always in all situations like it or not, be polite - good karma - south east asians love politeness.

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    Buying property in Thailand

    By Anonymous, Created on: 17/02/2006, Last updated on: 11/11/2011

    » Nothing much to say here is there, i think that IAN has told us all there is to know and believe me.......... .he's right.

    • Anonymous commented : BANGKOKPOST, 15 July 2006 ENCROACHMENT / SAMUI DEVELOPMENT Land scandal officials face probes SUPAPHONG CHAOLAEN Surat Thani _ Officials thought to have been involved in The Peak land scandal on Koh Samui have been recommended for disciplinary punishment. Caretaker Natural Resources and Environment Minister Yongyuth Tiyapairat said yesterday that he has asked the Land Department to transfer Suwat Vichaidit, a former Surat Thani land official, and investigate him for any wrongdoing. Mr Suwat faced a lightning transfer to an inactive post at the department yesterday. The minister also sought the Interior Ministry's cooperation to order a disciplinary inquiry against former Samui district chief Theerayuth Iemtrakul. Mr Suwat, a land official in Samut Sakhon's Ban Phaeo district before the transfer, formerly worked in the Samui land office. He was accused of issuing land documents on Koh Samui resulting in the encroachment onto land by developers. Mr Theerayuth was Samui district chief before being promoted to assistant provincial chief of Surat Thani. The environment ministry felt he neglected his duty, making encroachment possible. Mr Yongyuth said his ministry will press charges today against Suthep Wangdan, The Peak project operator, over false claims about the ownership status of the resort's land. The transfer came after Mr Yongyuth inspected Koh Samui and found massive encroachment of forest land on the island. A survey found that over 1,700 rai out of 6,900 rai of forest area on the island had been cleared, and some of the encroached areas had been turned into a land development project. The inspection followed an uproar over an advertisement by The Peak property project, on a website and in a property trading guide, placed by foreign firm Samui Property Solutions. The project, which spans 514 rai on Koh Samui's Kao Dang mountain, sells land for eight million baht a rai, amounting to more than 4.1 billion baht. The project developer had named two Thai companies, Great Hills International and Ratchathani, which are subsidiaries of Bangkok-based Piyavate Hospital Group, as owners of the land. An inquiry was being conducted to see if the two firms were owned by Thais. A group of local residents yesterday submitted a complaint to the minister opposing the distribution of ownership documents on mountainous areas of the island. They claimed investors had brought several fully-grown coconut trees onto the land to show it was being utilised and to claim ownership over the encroached plots on Kao Dang mountain.

    • Anonymous commented : BANGKOKPOST, 17 July 2006 TRT politicians in Samui land grab ANUCHA CHAROENPO SUPAPHONG CHAOLAN Many Thai Rak Thai party politicians are involved in forest encroachment and land speculation on the resort island of Koh Samui, a member of the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) said yesterday. Chaiyapan Praphasawat said illegal land grabs had increased across the island in the five years since the Thai Rak Thai party won power in 2001. Mr Chaiyapan, a member of the commission's sub-panel on land, water and forest problems, was responding to a call by caretaker Natural Resources and Environment Minister Yongyuth Tiyapairat for the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) to look into the growing land scandal. Mr Chaiyapan called on the caretaker government to take serious and sincere action to bring those involved to justice as quickly as possible. He said the sub-panel, chaired by rights commissioner Sunee Chairos, had received a flood of complaints from Koh Samui residents over the past three years. The villagers were afraid they would have no place to live one day if nothing was done to stop the rich and influential from continuing their land grab, Mr Chaiyapan said. "The information we have has implicated well-known politicians of this government in land encroachment," he said. The politicians, whose names were not revealed, acquired the land through nominees who would later sell the property to foreign developers at high prices. It was apparent that the land acquisitions were made with the use of inside information as the politicians knew well in advance about the state development plan. However, there was no evidence to prove that the villagers were forced to sell the land against their will. The politicians and land developers had bribed land officials to issue land ownership documents, including nor sor 3 kor papers, for areas designated as public land, he said. They should not have allowed the land to change hands as the original owners had no land documents, he said. "The villagers only had land use tax papers. How could they then sell their land?" Mr Chaiyapan also urged the DSI to look into other suspect areas, particularly the development of land under the government's Designated Areas for Sustainable Tourism Administration, which was the subject of many complaints. Pol Maj-Gen Latthasanya Piensomparn, commander of the natural resources and environment crime division, said the issuance of land documents for many plots on Khao Duang Nok and Khao Dang mountains on the island appeared to be illegal. However, it would be difficult to find the evidence needed to bring the wrongdoers to justice. Songsak Trichum, assistant village head of tambon Bopud in Koh Samui district, said more than half of land ownership papers on Koh Samui were unlawfully issued. He was concerned that the next generation of Thais on the island would have no land to make a living. Sunthorn Watcharakuldirok, head of a panel investigating the issuing of land documents on Koh Samui, said the probe had found that Suwat Vichaidit, a former Surat Thani land official, had issued a title deed for a 96-rai plot on Khao Duang Nok mountain to Suthep Wangdan, developer of The Peak property project. The land in question did not have a sor khor 1, a lower level land use paper required for issuing a land title deed.

    • Anonymous commented : BANGKOKPOST, 21 July 2006 Firm to be sued for illegal land deals Title deed on Samui issued unlawfully SUPAPHONG CHAOLAN A panel investigating the issuing of land documents on Koh Samui is preparing legal action against a company for alleged illegal acquisition of land on the tourist island. Sunthorn Watcharakuldirok, director of the Forestry Department's forest protection and suppression division, who heads the inquiry, said they had finished compiling documentary evidence relating to the occupation of a 96 rai block of land on Khao Duang Nok mountain. There was evidence on the ground showing that the issuance of title deeds for the plot was illegal, he said. Plans to take legal action against staff involved in issuing the land documents are also being drawn up. The panel had handed its investigation report to caretaker Natural Resources and Environment Minister Yongyuth Tiyapairat. A court order would be sought to revoke the land documents so the land could be returned to the state. The investigation was ordered by Mr Yongyuth following an uproar over an advertisement for the sale of a 514-rai land plot by The Peak property project posted by a foreign firm. The project developer was selling the land for eight million baht a rai, totalling more than 4.1 billion baht. The probe report handed to Mr Yongyuth found that title had been unlawfully issued for 96 rai of land on Khao Duang Nok mountain because the Sor Khor 1 land rights document held by the firm was for only 26 rai, not 96. The Sor Khor 1 paper was needed to apply for the title deed. The issuance of a land document for the firm's second plot, of about 500 rai, was being investigated. Mr Sunthorn said the panel would extend its investigation to look into the issuing of title deeds for ''several hundred rai of land'' on Lamai mountain that had been earmarked for development as a nine-hole golf course. The panel's coordinating centre had been flooded with complaints that several forest and public land areas on the island had been encroached upon, he added. Surat Thani provincial authorities yesterday met local leaders in Koh Samui and Koh Phangan districts to allay residents' fears that their land documents would be revoked as a result of the inquiry. Provincial governor Vichit Vichaisarn gave an assurance that lawfully issued documents would be left untouched. Only areas suspected of part of public or forest land would be investigated, he said.

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    Freedom of Ownership by Owning Boathouse

    By Anonymous, Created on: 13/01/2007, Last updated on: 11/10/2015

    » Excellent idea my dear Rooster. I once heard of a farang on Koh Samui who built a detachable house - so when the Bangkok big-shots, who owned the land, decided to do that traditonal Thai scam of telling the farang to move off their land, hoping to get...

    • Anonymous commented : Thai nationals with permanent resident status in the west take advantage and milk these true democracies of all they have to offer. Yet back home in Thailand restrict foreign ownership of land on the fear that the foreigner will take control, control of what. ? It's bizarre as the ruling classes in Thailand backed by wealthy foreign nationals control the vast majority of wealth and usable land and no one restrains their strangle hold of the country. Keeping the not so wealthy ordinary foreigner from securing his basic rights of freedom when married to a Thai national is blatantly unjust as wealthy Thais invest and buy what they wish from healhy western democracies that promote open market economies. but yet when at home enforce laws that restrain foreign ownership, due to very fear of control that they themselves have in owning and controlling their assets outside of the kingdom. This is shear hypocricy. Thais will allow 10% of their economy to be ruled unjustly by a small uncaring, manipulative minority this is ignorance. 'Long live the Poor'

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    About Face.

    By Sean Moran, Created on: 14/10/2008, Last updated on: 13/04/2014

    » One olde axiom that comes to mind is, '[i:3b539sim]If you can't say something nice, then keep your mouth s.h.u.t.[/i:3b539sim]' Just a thread that pertains to one of the cultural differences one might notice in venturing from a typical 'westernised' society of the assertive kind to the shores of...

    • Sean Moran commented : [quote="fast eddy":2s9ochgo] To give a little more background on the Tokyo story it's important to understand one aspect of the 'face' concept Nippon style. To gain 'face' amongst their peers, Japanese youths adopt a 'trendy' style - be it heavy metal head, punk rock, rockabilly, skinheads et al. Indeed, you can go to Yoyogi Park, downtown Tokyo on a Sunday and see them all strut their stuff - it's absolutley amazing! Now the level of face is determined by how accurately you can carry off your adopted 'youth cult'. As a consequence, there is a massive industry built around importing the real deal, second hand/cast off clothes from these Western World cults and the Japanese snap them up. I saw a good documentary on ABC (yes Sean. I even get your government's national tv network in my lounge)on the history of jeans and the interviewed a Japanese youth who was a mailman by day but his 'thing' was collecting vintage Levi Jeans - the older the better. He had quite a collection stored in almost museum like conditions (lovingly wrapped in plastic bags having been pressed and washed). The point is that Japanese study pictures of ordinary western teens from magazines and faithfully set out to replicate the look to the exact detail! The more you commit to your chosen 'image' the more face you gain! So, my mate who was staggering back to his apartment after a night on the sake came across what looked like the most evil gang of skins on the planet. However, the key to note is that the look is only skin deep and they have no affinity to the mind-set of their chosen 'look'. It is essential to understand this. Though they look the spit of Sid Vicious they really are pussycats with no attitude whatsoever. This is no word of a lie. To underscore this fact, I had a one to one lesson with a biker chick (before I got my first high school gig) and at the age of 33 and bored stiff of teaching Japanese girls/women who have the mentality of an 8 year old and still firmly attached to 'my little kitty', I thought "finally, someone I can have something of an adult conversation with". This chick looked straight out of the Hells Angels. So I began the lesson by talking to her with a little of the attitude you'd expect from a Hells Angels chick. She freaked out completely. The manageress had to come in and smooth things over - explain to her that I am a really nice guy and next week I start teaching at the local high school she attended some years before and (get this) move her into the tiny tots room which was full of cuddly toys. The manageress asked her if she'd like to have a cuddly toy to hold and she did - she chose the biggest Winnie the Pooh in the room!! I think this really has some bearing on the face issue we've talked of and though it maybe a little different from the Thai version, it is definitely a factor in Japan. Sean, you may want to check this out with in Japanese you know living in Perth. cheers Fast Eddy[/quote:2s9ochgo] Sub-cultures... The scope of this topic is expanding like a mushroom cloud! (a good one though. How about a magic mushroom cloud? ) No doubt that youth culture is founded in traditional culture and/or a mixture of various national styles, as you mention about the Levis denim hobby, the same as the skinhead - hell's angel - lolita trends. Conversely, if we look at the [i:2s9ochgo]establishment[/i:2s9ochgo] of today and then time-travel back twenty years to look at what the same highly-respected members of our societies were upto back then, it maybe that the crazes of today's youth culture are likely to have some influence on the establishment of the future. What might be seen as unacceptible by today's establishments but okay by the kids' rules might then become the societal norm when those kids grow up, if there's any good in it. That's the secret I reckon. To see cultures evolve positively, sometimes integrating facets of foreign principles providing those are good, while gradually dismissing some of the negatives of the past to the history books, although nothing could be more subjective and prone to differences of opinion when the time comes to decide on what is and isn't good. I'm glad that there's a God up there somewhere who can work those things out, because the job is too complex for me to work out. Probably goes much the same for all of us. As for Japanese folk living here in Perth, I don't know much about it. We Perthites have gone crazy about Japanese restaurants if that's any consolation. There's also no shortage of the same youth cultures here, like the skinheads and the mods and those sorts of artificial faces that help support the fashion industry, but my limited experience with Japanese exchange students here in Perth has almost always been with fairly conservative uni-students who seem to me to be content in Australia with simply being Japanese. I mean this respectfully. There are numerous sub-cultures of first-generation youth from different overseas regions, and we hear a bit on the news about multicultural events, be they formal celebrations or the occasional gang-wars. I'm too old for the nightlife scene thesedays so it's only on Saturday night television news that I ever hear of such things. Here in these apartments, the majority of residents are internationally born and most probably amazingly multilingual in total, but I suppose that with the cost of airfares thesedays, there's a need to sacrifice some of the home-grown fashion expenditure to save the fares to travel. I wonder how, if we assume that cultural standards are dynamic, if not quick to change, these trends in Japanese youth systems, and likewise Thai youth culture, will alter the established norms of tomorrow. One example that comes to mind is the variation of [i:2s9ochgo]khop khun[/i:2s9ochgo], [i:2s9ochgo]khop jai[/i:2s9ochgo]. I'm told that the latter is more the informal, younger generation word for [i:2s9ochgo]thank you[/i:2s9ochgo]. Will these sorts of changes become the standard in fifty years? I hope I'm not taking this too far off-topic here. The comparison you mention between Japan and Thailand is probably something that YOU should write a book about. All I really know about Japan is straight from James Clavell.

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    Market segmentation or price discrimination

    By bitchnomore, Created on: 16/02/2009, Last updated on: 09/05/2009

    » I find that there is a lot of farangs here who are complaining about double pricing standards here in Thailand where they have to pay the often more expensive "tourist rate" rather than the "local rate". They should simply stop bitching, period. Why? 1. If you open your big...

    • DKO commented : Sean regret we disagree on this one as what is said is only "on the surface" I find what has been said by "bitchnomore" and [u:r5l50kzf]particularly how it has been said [/u:r5l50kzf] as a xenophobic, bordering on racist, (and by the number of slashes I assume unpleasant) short sighed rant IMHO 2.) Go to http://www.edinburghcastle.gov.uk/index ... ttypes.htm there is NO suggestion of differing prices for non UK citizens NOR a quoted price anything like the 35 GBP you suggest on that or any site I have checked for prices. May I ask you to substantiate your allegations as you have chosen to write them here. 2). The UK do not have ID cards yet although to be implemented. The ID cards you were referring to were probably National trust membership discount cards [b:r5l50kzf]or similar discount [/b:r5l50kzf]which are usually paid for up front and can used at many member locations for a discount entry fee. 2). Your comment 2, There are many, as you describe who are foreigners living and working and paying taxes IN THAILAND and subject to Thai level of wages [b:r5l50kzf]but they STILL get double/treble charged[/b:r5l50kzf]. Maybe you should do some research 3. In the UK pricing is standard most places. The laws are quite strict in the UK of pricing. I cannot say there are not individuals who try it on BUT IT IS NOT COMMON PLACE in the UK as you imply by your example. 4. If the foreigners do not go to Thai locations with different charging tariffs for "locals and foreigners" [b:r5l50kzf]and trust me many will not on principle [/b:r5l50kzf](and not because they cannot afford it) you then lose their families admission fees with theirs and the vendors at the various locations will lose substantial business, hotels may also lose business due to fewer foreign visitors to some National Park locations 5. Hasn't the Military coup, the PAD with its airport closures and the Word Financial Crisis not done enough damage to Thai tourism and attraction venues without Thailand harming itself further with short sighted foreigner pricing policies. Can Thailand afford less tourists and visitors. Thailand is not the only desirable destination in South east Asia. If you are one of these people who think Thailand can be an "island" in the current World and need nobody, then think again . We all need each other including the Genuine British Isles. Your comment 3. about Ayutthaya is not a large extra to pay but you are being highly selective as in many places we can be talking about 100 or 200 Baht or more difference. Once again maybe you should do some research. Additionally you cannot morally justify higher charges for foreigners (base don jealousy) just [u:r5l50kzf]because they may have higher living standards[/u:r5l50kzf]. You do not know which do and which do not have higher living standards. What about all the foreigners who come from lower living standard countries than Thailand should they pay less than Thais? Please do not suggest they would not be here as they cannot afford to come, as that would just be a cop out on what I am saying. Maybe you would like a different charge for each country's residents based upon their standard of living? Maybe a means test questionnaire at each venue. Where do you pay your taxes? where do you work? do you earn more money than most Thais do? I joke but the point is valid where do you stop? Its also about time many Thais stopped this fantasy view that all Farangs are rich. Many cannot afford holidays for many years and have huge home mortgages and taxes. Do you know "bitchnomore" how much it costs for 2 spouses to fly to Thailand from Europe or the US before they even start to try to visit your dual tariff parks and attractions? I suggest you check it out coz it costs them BIG TIME Your comment 4. is YOU suggesting the ticket collectors are 'racist" if they go by colour of skin alone and many Farangs will tell you speaking Thai will not help with a cheaper rate one little bit coz we are still foreigners and the "tourist" rate payable. I wonder what my stepson son will have to pay. Father a farang (mother Thai),who saw him once and my stepson is THAI and only speaks Thai but he looks like a Farang (except his very Thai eyes that Thais do not often notice). Bet he would not be accepted as a Thai until he gets a Thai ID card at the appropriate age. In you intention to protect this lovely country and its people I feel your views do the reverse in reality, causing more negatives than positives. I say this as a Foreigner living here with my Thai wife and stepson and as a person who now considers Thailand as home and only wishes the best for Thailand and its people. May I suggest the you stick with your own alias yourself and bitchnomore . "People in glass houses" comes to mind!

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    A law unto themselves

    By Adem, Created on: 23/02/2009, Last updated on: 23/02/2009

    » I am a foreigner living in Thailand, respecting the laws of the land, the culture of the people and contributing to the economy. My infant son and baby girl have been abducted by their (Thai) mother, her boyfriend and his family. For twelve months I’ve visited police stations, The Department of...

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    Baht too strong - urgently needs freedom to float

    By oldexplorer, Created on: 12/03/2009, Last updated on: 04/11/2015

    » As the massive Chinese economy begins a freefall descent in response to the Western financial collapse, the Abhisit government needs to assist Thai exports by allowing the Baht to float downwards. Keeping the Baht slavishly locked to the US Dollar is short-sighted, and will simply make Thai exports...

    • Dtaling commented : ets act , exports , tourism , foreign residents , and THAILAND will benefit . Yes, it would hurt to see assets diminish in value , but ...

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    Land purchase through Thai spouse forbidden: Land Dept

    By Suttisan, Created on: 28/05/2009, Last updated on: 02/10/2016

    » -- Land purchase through Thai spouse forbidden: Land Dept The director general of the Land Department has reiterated that foreigners using Thai nominees to buy land anywhere in the country will have their land title deeds revoked if caught – even if the nominee in question is a lawfully wedded...

    • pachangamac042 commented : inds of many of the country's foreign residents.” Could the answer be; because most land is own by Chinese-Thais and other very high up people, and they do not want to share? “All Thais are proud that their country has never been colonised. (Yes, I know Thailand was occupied by Japan during World War Two.) At the same time, most Thais resent how Western powers systematically shifted away the land we considered ours (namely the British and the French - the Malaya states and Indochina) and held legal, trade and tax privileges over Siamese people living in Siam. To understand why Thais think and act as we do today is to understand Thai history and the Thai consciousness.” This sounds like bs to me. I would bet some money, that most Thais have no idea about history, well, at least not this part of history. I would even bet, that most Thais, would not mind us to own land in Thailand. I say it is the hi so witch does not want it. “Those historical lessons invoke in Thais a feeling of patriotism, and with it, fear and suspicion of the West. We grew up reading books and hearing stories of how Thailand, or Siam, suffered under the bullying of Western powers. It has become part of the collective consciousness of the nation to protect and preserve what is ours.” 55555 – reading books and hearing stories… Most Thais may know a little bit about the wars with Burma and Laos, but again, I bet, that most Thais have no idea about Western influences in Thailand.

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