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    Pre-Marital Sex. - Part I.

    By Anonymous, Created on: 18/06/2003, Last updated on: 26/04/2007

    » Hello Mr. Rooster ; I moved this discussion to this more appropriate thread. Mr. Rooster wrote : "People are like animals, and their sexual drives will involve some types of pre-marital sex. So prostitution will be there to provide needed service. " The sexual urge is indeed extraordinarily powerful,...

    • Anonymous commented : con't. Only 100 years ago in the US, the legal age of consent to marry was 10 years old (!). I believe Thailand was similar. It is hard to imagine pre-marital sex under those conditions. Did the country and society crumble?? Were people unhappy?? Was divorce rampant? Were children abandoned? Were children being molested and kidnapped? Were there single mothers? Were teens killing themselves? Were women being battered? Were there teen gangs? Was there prostitution? (yes, but no police force was necessary to control or limit it. It was self-limiting). California was one of the first states to raise the age of consent. It raised it from ten to fourteen in 1889 and then from fourteen to sixteen in 1897. Then, in 1913, California again raised it from sixteen to eighteen. Tennessee went the furthest: under Tennessee law, it was a felony to have sex with any woman under twenty-one. Has this stopped anyone from having sex?? We created this problem ourselves. Raising the age of consent to marry GUARANTEES pre-marital sex, and a LOT of it! Raise the age of consent higher and I guarantee you'll have even MORE pre-marital sex, certainly not less. We think we need to graduate from college first, or that young people are too "immature". Unfortunately, you cannot tell hormones to wait until after college, nor should you. This is a good example of passing a law to fix one problem only to have 10 bigger problems explode a few years later (pre-marital sex, over-crowded prisons, teen pregnacy, teen suicide, drug abuse, single mothers, violence against women, divorce, sexual dysfunction, prostitution, etc.) Rather than allow our sons and daughters to marry, we think it perfectly normal to send them with our blessings on a road to hell. We make these problems ourselves. Cheers!!

    • Anonymous commented : a lot of society evils, like drugs, gangs, depression, suicide, violence. It could actually be a very powerful and beautiful thing, and not perverted as you suggest. I also believe this would solve a lot of problems with our youth, but it is up to courageous PhD social scientists to say. I always wonder why no one questions the fact that we need sex education today in schools, when we didn't need it for thousands of years. Maybe this is why. Our children are alone during the most sensitive years of their lives, and then we wonder when they make bad choices. It was not this way before. Clearly visible for everyone to see, our current system of selecting a mate (dating/love) does not work! Everyone quotes divorce rates of 50+%, but I say those statistics are nonsense, and our divorce rate is actually 99.9%! Why do I say this? I consider EVERY sexual relationship that ends to be a divorce. In other words, if two people are having a sexual relationship, then in God's eyes they should be married. This is exactly what common law marriage is all about. If that relationship ends, it is no less of a divorce because they did not get married, although it does not show up in divorce statistics. Put another way, let's say that marriage is outlawed. If no-one is getting married, then the divorce rate would fall to ZERO also! This appears to suggest that every relationship is wonderful, when in fact the reality could be very different. The picture for marriages is bleak, but the picture for singles is equally bleak. About one million or more teenage girls become pregnant every year, at a rate of 3000 per day, 80% of whom are unmarried. Out of this I million, about 500,000, decide to keep their baby, and 450,000 are aborted (or ? murdered). 100,000 decide to deliver and give the baby up for adoption. In 1950 the incidence of birth from unmarried teenagers was only 13.9%, but in 1985 it increased to 59%. In 1985 alone, 10 million cases of chlamydia, 2 million cases of gonorrhea, I million venereal warts, 0.5 million genital herpes and 90,000 syphilis were diagnosed. Not a pretty picture. So getting married does not work, and staying single does not work. Our current system does not work! It was not this way before. Cheers!!

    • 20 replies, 16,987 views

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    Learning about Thai ladies in marriage and culture

    By Anonymous, Created on: 23/08/2003, Last updated on: 21/10/2007

    » I would like to learn about the Thai lady in marriage and the Thai culture. The reason for this, is that after literally travelling the world for many years, during work commitments, and meeting along the way many ladies for serious relationships. I met along the way a lady from Thailand. We met many...

    • Anonymous commented : Jeff. It is appeared that you are involving with a poor and or rural family. I still owed my aunt a watch I promised her from last year. You see, my aunt is supporting five grandchildren and one also has AIDS. In the rural area, a good watch is the last few luxury items that you do not very need since it is like a jewelry. The rural Thai people learn how to tell time by using the sun and the moon. Most of them will go to sleep and wake-up like chickens depending on the sunlight. Well, Jeff. I am sure that he did not ask you to get him a Rolex. You can get a good battery operated watch for $10.00 at the drug store in USA. He did not test you, but traditional Thais are very generous and giving. As future son-in-law, you will need to learn what are their needs. It is often the simplest things in life that you as foreigner or urbanites are often over looked. If I were you, I would get him the old fashion geer operated watch since it is very expensive to get battery replacement in the rural area. My recommendation is that you should not get them anything expensive or un-reuseable gifts. When you visiting your-in-law, I would recommend to you to shop in the city before travelling to the rural area for household items and foods or buying them at the local market if there are available. I usually buy my cousins and others in rural area things like towels, underwears, condiments, dry foods, and etc.. If I visiting them for one week, I would buy enough foods and drinks for 2 weeks supply for everyone beside me. Please do not buy them cigarette or alcohol, social problems later. My uncle loved the solar, dynamo, and battery operated radio plus flashlight. They could take the radio out to the field with them and left it on all day. There are plenty of things that you can buy from Bangkok. Western style supermarkets and shopping center like Wal-Mart are everywhere as in other small cities. Remember, indigenous Thais are not greedy people, and sharing is very important thing in life. Oh, you should make sure to give B100.00 baht to each children in the family before you leave; it would be their saving money or candy money. The amount of money giving to older adults is often unnecessary, but it would depending on your generosity.

    • 27 replies, 16,641 views

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    family visa

    By Anonymous, Created on: 02/01/2004, Last updated on: 12/09/2006

    » When the Thai government will allow foreigners with Thai spouse and children to own a one year visa without the need to travel out of the country every 3 month or to show 800 thousands bahts in a bank account, this is very unfair and even most of the Thais don't earn this sum per year, why this discrimination...

    • Anonymous commented : police were looking for drugs - but when they found next to none, they charged large numbers for not carrying their passports. To make the raid worthwhile, it' been suggested. Under Thai law, foreigners are required to carry their passports at all times. Somewhat impractical, even dangerous, you might say, and somewhat unjust - given that Thais are not required to carry theirs in many farang countries. But there you are : obey Thailand's laws. At very least carry a photocopy of your passport. Those who did at Q Club were reportedly given lesser fines.

    • 65 replies, 24,845 views

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    stereotype towards interracial marriage in Thailand

    By Anonymous, Created on: 26/11/2004, Last updated on: 01/01/2008

    » I am a Thai man born and grew up in Bangkok educated overseas totally disagree with the stereotype. On the contrary, I have always admired and respected those indigenous Thais women whose dark brown - tan skin blessed by the nature from their hard works shouldering gracefully to their parents’...

    • Anonymous commented : u some of those sex enhancing drugs(think you might have a problem there) there's not much we can do for you. You sound very immature,lack much experiance in life and have got a hugh mental problem, known as 'chip on the shoulder' Oh bye the way, i am an older fallang,not fat, not ugly, am i ok with you ? and quite finantially sound thanks.

    • 32 replies, 18,832 views

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    RE: My Mom doesn't Like Farangs

    By Anonymous, Created on: 07/12/2004, Last updated on: 19/09/2007

    » Your mom is right baby. Most farangs could'nt be entrusted. They consider your country as a backyard brothel that should yield to all their queer demands and nature. They look for cheap sex and free service. Sex that act on the woman as if she were a sex tool that responds automatically without resistance....

    • Anonymous commented : I remember when the Thais were having trouble with the Nigerian drug smugglers. They arrested them by the scores. The Thai officals remerked that the Nigers were the worst prisoners they had ever had. They would not obey prison rules and they ate too much is what the officals stated in the BKK post. How much did Mao hesitate before killing millions of his own people? How long did Japan hesitate before also killing millions of Chinese and tens of thousands of Thais, Phillipinos and Indonesians? What abot Pol Pot, the Kmer Rouge, North Veitnam or the Taliban? I do not remember any of them hesitating. How about the Sudan right now? Ugandan, Idi Amin, murdered on a whim. The Rowandan massacres were carried out in a mad rush.

    • 26 replies, 12,679 views

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    Marring a Thia Woman in America - What's needed

    By Anonymous, Created on: 27/01/2005, Last updated on: 25/02/2007

    » Hi, I want to marry a Thia woman and am looking for some insite to what is needed and what to expect from Thia women and to learn about Thia culture. Also, please express your expriences with Thia culture and women, marring in Thialand or the US and living in Thialand or the US. Thanks

    • Anonymous commented : Hey, you better register your marriage in Thailand and not in your own country. Thai common law is impartial to both men and women. Unlike US and most western countries' laws, they tended to be on the side of the women even when she is a drug addict and etc.. The best for children do not count most of the times. Thai law does lack enforcement.

    • 33 replies, 14,280 views

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    thai divorce and property law

    By Anonymous, Created on: 21/02/2005, Last updated on: 16/01/2006

    » I'm a U.S. citizen and married to a thai guy in U.S., he has nothing in U.S. but business ownership, land and bank accounts in thailand. our baby is going to be U.S. citizen, i want to know, is it true by law that he told me that i cannot co-own any business, land or bank account of his? what can...

    • Anonymous commented : Correction. Son originally agreed to give new Thai bride $250 a month (not 250 bahts) from MT until processed her K-3. He also sent twice that originally for a period of time to help her pay off her previous debts. Then he insisted that they go back to their original agreement--$250 only--except for emergencies and gifts. She had gotten used to the higher amount and hit the roof and refuse to maintain the budget by spending all the $250 from the account he set up for her as soon as it arrived--the first week of the month and then cajoling constantly for more.. When he refused to send more--as he had warned her he must save for visa, marriage and take care of his new business--She claimed he was starving her and not meeting his obligations. She didn't seem to ever believe him when he would tell her by phone and by email NO NO NO to outspending the $250 each month. She never sent any sad ,separated sweetheart kinds of emails, once he forced her to stay within budget (she receives 8000 bahts a month from her sister for caring for the sister's 8 year old spoiled son---even bathing him, dressing him, powdering his bottom, and catering to his every whim) In the spring, she only wrote about her husband's being "selfish---all my Thai friends agree---you're selfish---just like Thai men are." (???) "Why did you sign marriage registration if you weren't going to support me?!! Why you lie? How can I trust you?" She also got him to provide for English lessons, and claimed to be the best student in her class, but then dropped the classes this spring, around the time he started "starving" her. This girl has a car, lives in a new high standard house which the three sisters just bought for their parents---to get them out of police housing. They also have a country house, with rice, pond, etc. The father isn't retired, still working but spends most of his time with his girlfriend and refuses to pay mortgage for the house, so daughters are each to pay a third...so new bride keeps asking my son to send money for mortgage ASAP.... 1) Could they annul and then apply for a K-1 visa with any chance of success? 2) In an uncontested divorce, in a marriage of 8 months, in which the couple has never lived together since registration, could the "husband" sign papers in US and get a proxy to present them at the amphur? 3) If they married in Bangkok, shouldn't they divorce there instead of in Khon Kaen which she insists? 4) Although non-contested, can the Amphur then assess a lot of trumped up fines on my son, and refuse to let him leave the country until they were paid? (She might have run up credit card debts or whatever in the nine months since he's seen her...) 5) Could he divorce her from the US, according to Thai laws, and send the papers over? We believe that last spring, she might have reunited with an old Thai boyfriend; or that her sister is lining up one of her husband's older friends to marry her next...they seem awfully anxious to end it....but my son says he would be a sitting duck for the cops or old boyfriends or whomever---leaving her with all his worldly assets, or at least half...(Somehow his bank knew of his recent foreign marriage, although he has never informed them? Weird...she has US in-laws with former CIA connections...it feels claustrophia and maybe we're paranoid...but reading the UN Report about Human Rights Violations during the Crackdown...and the disappearance of farangs, and the recognition that the police system is questionable and prisons unassailable...going back isn't an option, but the need to end this travesty is weighing on all of us...as we vasilate like the ones who write to Stickman...She's innocent/she's not; she's cohersed/she instigating; she's Cinderella/she's Cruella de Ville; she has a Thai boyfriend/she doesn't/she is lining up a richer farang/she's heartbroken; he could go safely and quickly for a co-signing/he will get hit with lawsuits and not be able to leave the country; he would be safe in Bangkok/he would be set upon by a gang paid to avenge Thai girl's loss of face---farang thinks $250 enough for ME while he saves for wedding!!! Then one day he noticed while she was suppose to be at home--as she stated in her email--visiting with friends next door in Khon Kaen--documents from the account he set up for her had a withdrawal from Bangkok. When he asked her about this she said it was a mistake. She claimed she hadn't returned to Bangkok since their wedding, the day he flew back to Montana. He went to great effort to have the bank double-check where the withdrawal occurred. She claimed it was the Malikan branch on Bangkok Road in Khon Kaen. So--he sent her $85 and told her to please use that same branch bank for the withdrawal...she has refused and asked that he drop the subject as it is boring her, and she dislikes him accusing her as she is innocent. Ever since her weird behavior this spring, my son and I have been combing the internet to try and understand Thai culture, divorce and marriage laws, bar girls and found this forum. She has belatedly agreed to co-signing an annulment, and wants him to apply for the K-1 afterwards. However, when he asks that she and her mother or whomever, and nephew meet him in Bangkok where they married for annulment, with him paying all expenses, hotel, plane, etc. She refuses and says they must meet in Khon Kaen. My son worries that it wouldn't be safe to return to Khon Kaen. Although agreeing to co-signment of a non-contested divorce, she seems to be talleying up "her" expenses---could they hit him with a big bill for costing her "face" or whatever...and refuse to let him leave the country w/o his first paying? With a police chief father, who seems to really enjoy finding drug cars, which the police can then keep for themselves, and an uncle who is a lawyer---and the kind of records she seems to be keeping---it seems highly unlikely that my son can sail in, sign, and sail out. Would a proxy be allowed? The girl, herself, seems to rather naive, she has been caring for her sister's (who married a farang GI) child since the boy was 2 years old---the child is constantly being refused immigration by Thai authorities. The family seems to have an agenda of their own and she is just a pawn in the game...or so it seemed, until last spring when she seemed to change character from a loving bride and began ranting for more and more money. (We chalked it up to some translator writing the letters...perhaps even her sister who is now rich via marrying a farang who later became successful businessman. NO to spending outside the budget, but she just went ahead. Then threatened to become a bar-girl if he didn't send between 450 and 500 dollars a month. Later, she said this wasn't a serious threat, only a "test" of him. Originally the future wedding ceremony in Khon Kaen was agreed by the family to be: $1000 bride price, a modest ceremony which could be up to a $1000, and a diamond ring. Then this spring, arguing for $400 or $500 a month--which was never agreed upon priorly although she claims so--she also demands now for the wedding: 150,000 bahts for mother; 150,000 bahts for reception which the Mom will cater ; and 150,000 bahts for show at wedding--with an unspecified amount returned later. One one-carat diamond ring. She now claims if these demands aren't meant her parents will refuse to let her come to America. Also, recently she has said if $250 monthly isn't sent to mother then she won't be "allowed" to go. Once in America, she claims she will try to pay half of Mom's costs. My son thought maybe they could get non-contested annulment and then apply for a K-1 visa for her---as it seems risky to bring her to America as a wife---while he would be protected if she were only a fiancee. If they were simpatico here, they could marry in the US, and then return for the Thai ceremony in a year (and he could get a pre-nup before he marries her here.) Would this work?

    • 44 replies, 19,067 views

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    divorce and marriage law in thailand

    By Anonymous, Created on: 23/04/2005, Last updated on: 12/07/2007

    » can any one advise me the following matter. a friend of mine will be getting married to his thai fiancee in 12 days time in thailand. what i would like to know is if the marriage should sadly break down and then his wife goes back to thailand after say they have lived in england for about 6 months...

    • Anonymous commented : n drive by shootings. illegal drugs and guns are big here as well so to venture out in certain areas alone at night is not a smart decision as you may become a target. There is gangs in Thailand and there is some crime but I dont think that guns is a big problem there maybe that is why the crime rate is lower? I am not sure about guns in Thailand as I havent heard much about it or researched it. And another topic that was discussed was about foreigners paying more for the same services then the Thai people, for 1 they couldnt afford it as they dont have a high income. If I was charged more for the things I bought while shopping I didnt notice as I found everything to be of low cost while I was there, I still do not understand the bartering system well but it was quite enjoyable haggling pricing as here you pay what is on the price tag.

    • Anonymous commented : Be careful to farangs who seek for marriage through M, Y, match dot com, and many hundred marriage hoax dot com agents. Many innocent, female students, housewives, female teachers and female government officials are hoaxed into cross-marriage by offering unlimited conditions such as millions baht Sin Sot (dowry), adoption of Thai born children from former or incumbent husbands of Thai nationals. This networks are partly agented by Thai prostitutes and overseas prostitutes or ex-prostitute-married or divorced from farang husband. There is a New York agent. Her name is Mrs. Robinson (ex-Thai prostitute worked in Bangkok, Pattaya, Hong Kong, Singapore and lured a naive American young man to marry). London, Rome, New York, LA are the main places where lure innocent Thai women to marry, milk delivery man, sewage dealer, drug traffickers, unemployeed, prostitution runner, etc. Well educated Thai women found miserable life after known all history and capacity of new husband and dumped into commercial venues with adopted Thai children. All Thai women must be very careful and Thai government must involve in this international marriage and welfare of their own national children.

    • 66 replies, 27,286 views

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